Communication outside of control network with CompactLogix

Petr_Broza

Member
Join Date
May 2015
Location
Vancouver
Posts
41
Hello,

I got control network (PLC+HMI+Servos) connected with switch. Now I need to connect this PLC(L24ER) with costumer network.

These are possibilities I can think of:
1. Use layer 3 switch, which got routing capabilities (for example Stratix 8000, but it costs around 4000!)
2. Use simple industrial switch and router
3. Use just router (I'm worried about network performance)
4. Use some external Ethernet card, which can communicate with PLC (add-on)
5. Use L30ER PLC and aditional EtherNet/IP module (1768-ENBT) (I don't know if there could be two different networks in one PLC)

What do you recommend me as right solution and most cost effective one?

Thank you

Petr
 
Last edited:
I strongly recommend Option 2, using an industrial router.

Rockwell has a couple of devices made exactly for this purpose:

http://ab.rockwellautomation.com/Networks-and-Communications/Network-Address-Translation-Device

I recommend against using a consumer-grade router. I've actually damaged some old Netgear routers (yes...they red-lit and never recovered) by exposing them to high amounts of multicast traffic.

The 1768-ENBT is for the old L4x family of CompactLogix only; it won't connect to the modern 5370 family. And you probably won't be satisfied with the functionality you get out of a Prosoft or other module that goes into the backplane as an foreign protocol device.
 
Thank you for advice.

With that AB NAT, can I just translate PLC IP address, so costumer can not reach other devices (I don't have to use manage switch to create separate VLAN)?

Edit: After reading through manuals, answer is yes, this image explain pretty much everything (1783-um008_-en-p.pdf)

NAT.png
 
Last edited:
What are arguments for using NAT instead of changing all IP addresses to match costumer network (costumer don't want to spend extra money for proper solution)?

I can think of, that network traffic could affect machine performance (I'm using PLC, HMI and few servos over Ethernet). Also there are safety issues, since there is no control who can access the network and maybe they will even connect network to Internet.
 
What are arguments for using NAT instead of changing all IP addresses to match costumer network (costumer don't want to spend extra money for proper solution)?

I can think of, that network traffic could affect machine performance (I'm using PLC, HMI and few servos over Ethernet). Also there are safety issues, since there is no control who can access the network and maybe they will even connect network to Internet.

Security is almost moot as long as you know the translated address. You're at least protecting the devices not translated. NAT is really designed to integrate machines into a larger network without having to deal with the overhead of changing addresses and PLC programs.
 
What are arguments for using NAT instead of changing all IP addresses to match costumer network (costumer don't want to spend extra money for proper solution)?

Does having the network traffic from people in the office watching cat videos on youtube and sending 200-page PDF's to a printer mingling with your process critical industrial controllers and precision motion control servo controllers seem like a good idea to you? If so, then go right ahead. But better just word up your IT guys that they'll now be responsible for troubleshooting network issues on your I/O racks and PLC's as well as between PC's and printers.

Control Network <--> DMZ <--> Corporate Network.

There's a reason it's done that way.
 

Similar Topics

Hello Everyone, I have a issue with communication between two different PLCs. So here is the facts, The Master PLC is Guard Logix 5069 with IP...
Replies
4
Views
62
i have two plc 1. s7-1212dc/dc/dc ip; 192.168.0.1 2. s7-1500 1513-1pn ip; 192.168.3.2 i need to get data from plc1 to plc2. any idea how to do...
Replies
5
Views
93
I have created a project in TIA Portal v16 Upd6 with S7-1200 (6ES7214-1AG40-0XB0) and WinCC Unified (PC station). The communication between the...
Replies
4
Views
145
Hello We have installed several G.E. Fanuc 90 70 PLC Everything was ok but suddenly we can not communicate anymore with any PLC with the software...
Replies
0
Views
66
Apologies for not being the best IDEC programmer. I recently was doing some inspections on a site that had 3 FC6A IDEC processors. The issue is...
Replies
0
Views
75
Back
Top Bottom