Proagent in wincc flex 2007

userxyz · Jul 25, 2008

I just opened catalog ST 80 on page 4/83

The proagent from wincc flex 2007 can show more then the one that I'm using from version 2005, is this correct ?

On the image in that catalog I can see that the sequences can be shown like S7-Graph style, with conditions shown !!! In 2005 I cannot show conditions as far as I know...

?

Bratt · Jul 28, 2008

Combo said:
I just opened catalog ST 80 on page 4/83

The proagent from wincc flex 2007 can show more then the one that I'm using from version 2005, is this correct ?

On the image in that catalog I can see that the sequences can be shown like S7-Graph style, with conditions shown !!! In 2005 I cannot show conditions as far as I know...

?

Its correct. But you need a big screen. The Graph7 style gets to messy on a 10" MP277 it works better with a bigger screen.

userxyz · Jul 28, 2008

conditions

Okay.

Seeing conditions can be very usefull

It's a pitty that it gets messy on a 10"

PS Bratt, you rule

Bratt said:
Its correct. But you need a big screen. The Graph7 style gets to messy on a 10" MP277 it works better with a bigger screen.

CharlesM · Jul 28, 2008

I have never used Proagent before. Are you using it to show the status of a Graph program? Can you post a screen shot?

Bratt · Jul 29, 2008

Here are some screenshots of a simple Graph

From Graph 7

List view MP277

Bratt · Jul 29, 2008

Graphview MP277

Error Graphview MP277

Error evaluation MP277

userxyz · Jul 29, 2008

...

This last one is the WinCC Flex 2007 proagent.

Can you see the conditions and the supervisions and interlocks in LAD ?

The post before this ons is what I have now on my finished project, I'm happy with it, but seeing conditions would make it more powerfull for maintenance

Bratt said:
Graphview MP277

Error Graphview MP277

Error evaluation MP277

Bratt · Jul 29, 2008

The last one is the transistion conditions displayed when a fault has occurred this has worked since the protool days. But it seems like you are right about the news that it nowadays should be possible to display the transistion conditions even when there are no faults.

From "News in WinccFlexible 2007"

When in "Step sequence" mode, the detailed view shows the network belonging to the current step of the step sequence. Provided that there are no ALARM-S messages and no error definitions are selected.

I did a quick test and dident get it to work but I'll look into this when i have some more free time.

CharlesM · Jul 29, 2008

That is cool. I have used Graph a couple of times but I did not know you could do that in Flex.

userxyz · Jul 30, 2008

euh

euh Bratt,

I did not know that I can see transistions in my current flex 2005.

I know that I can see what steps that are active, but what if the program waits for something and there is no supervision or interlock in this step, can this be monitorred in my current proagent screens from flex 2005 ? I should be able to see why and the conditions... or is this only in flex 2007 ?

Bratt said:
The last one is the transistion conditions displayed when a fault has occurred this has worked since the protool days. But it seems like you are right about the news that it nowadays should be possible to display the transistion conditions even when there are no faults.

From "News in WinccFlexible 2007"

When in "Step sequence" mode, the detailed view shows the network belonging to the current step of the step sequence. Provided that there are no ALARM-S messages and no error definitions are selected.

I did a quick test and dident get it to work but I'll look into this when i have some more free time.

Bratt · Aug 1, 2008

Combo said:
euh Bratt,

I did not know that I can see transistions in my current flex 2005.

I know that I can see what steps that are active, but what if the program waits for something and there is no supervision or interlock in this step, can this be monitorred in my current proagent screens from flex 2005 ? I should be able to see why and the conditions... or is this only in flex 2007 ?

You cant in 2005.

In 2007 according to Siemens it should be possible but i cant get it to work so i called Siemens but the guy i talked to couldn't get it work either.

The Siemens guy promised he would get back to me with an answer so hopefully there is a solution.

Bratt · Aug 7, 2008

No wonder i couldn't get it to work. This is the answer i got from Siemens.

"The description from help is not correct. I will forward this fault in documentation to our development. This has to be changed in the documentation version."

userxyz · Aug 7, 2008

okay

Hope it 'ill work, I'm the next one who will test this

Bratt said:
No wonder i couldn't get it to work. This is the answer i got from Siemens.

"The description from help is not correct. I will forward this fault in documentation to our development. This has to be changed in the documentation version."

userxyz · Aug 19, 2008

Bratt

Bratt,

I installed s7 5.4 sp1 + flex 2007.

So, I tried these screens offcourse...

I used the expample project MP377_ProAgent for my MP277 panel.

vieuwing pdiag alarms in LAD is no problem.

vieuwing graphs works, BUT, only if I connect a mouse, then I can scroll down in it and see the complete graph.

Another problem is that the screen with the transitions/interlocks/supervisions doesn't do anything... remains cleared.

Do you have an idea why I can't see transitions and why I have to connect a mouse ?

Bratt said:
Graphview MP277

Error Graphview MP277

Error evaluation MP277

Bratt · Aug 20, 2008

Bratt said:
No wonder i couldn't get it to work. This is the answer i got from Siemens.

"The description from help is not correct. I will forward this fault in documentation to our development. This has to be changed in the documentation version."

You cant never see the transisitions

. First they told me that you could and the help file also claims that you could but i later got the answer that the help file was wrong!!!!

I have never used the GRAPH view i only use the text views. In text view the arrow keys work but they dont seem to work in Graph view. You should report this to the Siemens suport

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