Converting Gain to Decibels

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I have a question about converting gain in an amplifier (Av, Ai, and Ap) to dB. Is there a formula used for converting. I have an example that shows Av = 1 divided by 0.01 = 100, Ai =10 divided by 1 = 10, and Ap = 100 x 10 = 1,000 then to convert amplifier gain to Decibels I have the example av = 20 log Av = 20 log 100 = 40 dB and ai = 20 log Ai = 20 log 10 = 20 dB and ap = 10 log Ap = 10 log 1000 = 30 dB. I was wondering how they get the 40dB, 20dB, and 30 dB. I have looked up about logarithms on line, but it really is not making sense to me on how they converted from Gain to Decibels. Is there a formula for this? Your help would be greatly appreciated in helping me understand the conversion process. Thank you very for your help.

Sincerely:
Maintenance man:unsure:
 
Bel = log (Gain)
deci = one tenth
1 deciBel = 0.1 Bel => 10 dB = 1 Bel

=> (# of dB) = 10 * (# of Bel) = 10 * (log (Gain))
(What Bernie Said)
 
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I understand when the gain is 10, 100, and 1000 but how do you find the dB when the gain is a number like 2, 3, 4, 20, 30, 40, 55, 56 etc. This is where I am having the trouble is all the other numbers between 10, 100, 1000. Thank you all for your help.

 
I guess the question I really need to ask is how you figure the logarithm (how many times 10 is multiplied to get a certain number). 10 x 10 is 100 in which the log is 2. This is easy to do but how do you find the logarithm of a number such as 50 in which the log would be 1.7 (found this number by dividing 34 by 20 using a conversion web page). I would like to know how you get a log of 1.7 for the number 50. 1.7 would be multiplied by 20 to get the 34 dB. I would like to learn to do this without using a calculator. The key is to find the log of a number then multiply it by 20 to get the dB of a Av. Thank you very much.
 
What computing hardware do you have at your disposal? PLC - which one? PC - use Windows calculator. Slide Rule? Or type into Google "log number". If you type log 1000 you get 3
 
Decibels aren't too hard, but don't get too caught up in needing to know too many values. Really if you need a specific value its easiest to just use a calculator. If you just need a ballpark, it's not too hard. It's just a way of representing larger numbers using smaller numbers.

The formula for comparing two power level is 10log(P1/P0). A quantity express in DB is a ratio. It is the level of a signal compared to something else. A common one is dBm, or dB milliwatt, the value of a power signal compared to a milliwatt (at least in RF its commonly used). As you've seen, the dB values for raios of 10, 100, 1000 are pretty easy (10dB, 20dB, 30dB). Anything off of those values are a little harder.

the only other trick to remembering values is to remember that each time a power signal level doubles, it goes up by 3dB. If it doubles again, it goes up by another 3dB. If a power signal decreases by half, it goes down by 3dB.

The table shows a power level, starting at 1mW. The column on the right shows the DB level of the signal compared to the original signal (1mW). Notice that each time the power level doubles, the signal increases by 3dB. I've also included the 10, 100, 1000 so you can see where they fit in.

Power
Level dBlevel
1mw 0
2 3
4 6
8 9
10 10
16 12
32 15
64 18
100 20
128 21
256 24
512 27
1000 30
1024 30(using the doubles each time method)
2048 33
4096 36
8192 39
10000 40
16384 42

It really doesn't matter where you start. if you have a 40Watt signal, if it goes up to 80Watts, it has increased by 3DB.


If you are talking about comparing voltage levels, its a little different. The formula uses a 20log(v1/v0) instead of the 10log. It boils down to a voltage level increases 6dB each time the actual level doubles, or decreases 6dB if its level is halved. Again, most of the time dB are used to refer to power levels.
 

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