Graphical representation of about 80% of all Forum questions...

This is true of every forum that I have visited.
This is an accurate graphical representation of about 80% of all Forum questions ever asked:
Credit: http://blog.xkcd.com

yes but
he might be selling him a Stud Finder Finder
could be usefull

I think that is unfair to PLCtalk.net. Very few sales pitches get made here, and if there is a product mentioned, it is usually a valid answer to a question.

I laugh

Lancie1 said:

I think that is unfair to PLCtalk.net. Very few sales pitches get made here,

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I think I do all the time. I just disguise them and bury them a lot of RELEVANT technical details. My goal isn't so much to sell something directly as much as to show there is a better way or raise the high bar so high that only our product can jump it. I share a lot of technology or technical details. For instance the Alpha-Beta-Gamma filter could be used in the recent thread where the OP was complaining about the velocity updating slowly. The Alpha-Beta-gamma filter has little phase delay. I did share a video showing what a Alpha-Beta-Gamma filter can do using our setup software.

and if there is a product mentioned, it is usually a valid answer to a question.

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Well it can't be blatant off topic or just spam. I really don't think you want to cross that boundary otherwise the flood gates would be open.

Lancie1 said:

I think that is unfair to PLCtalk.net. Very few sales pitches get made here, and if there is a product mentioned, it is usually a valid answer to a question.

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You must be a supervisor. Let me explain. It has nothing to do with sales pitches.
OP: How do I add a pilot light to my G310 HMI?
Reply: I don't use pilot lights, I use multi-color indicators, they work much better.

OP: Why does my AB timer not turn the output on?
Reply: Instead of using timers try a counter.

Perhaps this might have been more along the lines of what you were trying to say?

http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/1995-11-10/

ndzied1 said:

Perhaps this might have been more along the lines of what you were trying to say?

http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/1995-11-10/

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Close, but no cigar. I guess most "Engineering" types just don't get it.
But can relate to Dilbert.

You must be a supervisor. Let me explain. It has nothing to do with sales pitches.
OP: How do I add a pilot light to my G310 HMI?
Reply: I don't use pilot lights, I use multi-color indicators, they work much better.

OP: Why does my AB timer not turn the output on?
Reply: Instead of using timers try a counter.

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Russ, I have been a supervisor. I have been an engineer. I have been an electrician. I have been a sewing machine mechanic. I have been a gas jockey and windshield washer back when we had those. I have been a busboy. I have been many other things over the years, and there are some jobs I don't want to remember. What does it all prove?

I have never told ANYONE to use a multi-color indicator if they wanted to know how to add a pilot light. I have never told anyone to use a counter if they wanted to know why their timer did not work.

I have told a bunch of people that their idea was flaky, full of errors, had no documentation, or looked like where a bunch of chickens had been scratching.

Then I always tried to come up with something that would work. Most of the time, my logic did not work because later: "oh, yes, I forgot to mention that blah-blah-blah...". Such is life.

EDIT: I forgot to say that I have been a cotton-picker, and I will never do that again!

RussB said:

OP: How do I add a pilot light to my G310 HMI?
Reply: I don't use pilot lights, I use multi-color indicators, they work much better.

OP: Why does my AB timer not turn the output on?
Reply: Instead of using timers try a counter.

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Sorry Russb, these are both answers
- the first is the pilot light - the multi colour is the answer.
- the second relates to a method used for the program by the OP.
At no time does it attempt to sell some other MFG's devices.

I agree with the no sales pitches approach, but if a person has bought the lower end product (some 'great' salesman has done this) what do we do.

There is a recent post about programming Smart relays . the OP is now coming to terms with 4 items per rung including the output.

As you know there are many ways of programming.
Someone has a prefferance - that is their way.
I do remember the "Try to use counters" Statement.
it is the OP's choice to ignore it.

**Notice**
If you are in the 20% or if you just "don't get it" PLEASE do not take this personal. It is supposed to be humorous.

I, too, missed Russ's point initially, thinking it was oriented at sales pitches. But with clarification, yeah, there's a lot of what I call "richochet" commentary; shooting off in some wild direction.

I ten limit my discussions to threads on instrumentation, HART and Modbus. Modbus threads generally do not follow the 80% rule; they're answered in a most professional manner, but it's a limited group of responders.

HART topics some times get the 80% richochets, I think because the replies reflect someone's recollections of a limited experience or two.

The few 'hard PLC' threads that I read through do many times reflect the 80%.

To Russ's point, one thread from about a year ago had a good explanation of the guy's instrument problem, but I didn't log on until after work; by which time there were at least a dozen comments mostly telling the guy to forget whatever he had, to go wireless.

I did some quick arithmetic and it was obvious that his DC power supply was about 2 or 3 volts short of driving 20mA through a mile of relatively small gauge wire. The calculation even showed that the instrument would fail at about 75% of scale range.

A day later the OP posted that such was the case, he was able to tweak his supply up a couple volts and the signal worked fine across the scale. And it had indeed failed at the 3/4 scale point.

But hey, it's a public forum.

Dan

RussB said:

**Notice**
If you are in the 20% or if you just "don't get it" PLEASE do not take this personal. It is supposed to be humorous.

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thats why I said the guy needs a stud finder finder

Lancie1 said:

EDIT: I forgot to say that I have been a cotton-picker, and I will never do that again!

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As an old boy once told me:

I ain't the chicken plucker, and I ain't the plucker's son,
But I'll pluck chickens until the chicken plucker comes!

That's my work experience in a nutshell.

BTW, XKCD rocks!

http://www.xkcd.com/982/

I'm not a pheasant plucker
I'm a pheasant Pluckers Daughter
I'm only plucking pheasants like a pheasant plucker ortta

---- the second line

iant said:

I'm not a pheasant plucker
I'm a pheasant Pluckers Daughter
I'm only plucking pheasants like a pheasant plucker ortta

---- the second line

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Ha! Who knew?