Backup of Simatic OP3 and OP27

russg · Mar 17, 2015

Hi,

I'm working on a machine with these two HMI screens, but we do not have any back up. I believe it is possible to take a snap-shot of the image file from uploading from the screens. Am I correct in thinking this? And will this be useful to download to a new screen if the current one fails?

Thanks

Russ

JesperMP · Mar 17, 2015

The Prosave utility can upload in image from OP27 that can be downloaded to another OP27.
No such possibility for OP3.
For OP27, the problem is how to get the spare OP27 panel. You may have to turn to resellers or ebay.

russg · Mar 17, 2015

JesperMP said:
The Prosave utility can upload in image from OP27 that can be downloaded to another OP27.
No such possibility for OP3.
For OP27, the problem is how to get the spare OP27 panel. You may have to turn to resellers or ebay.

OK, thanks once again Jesper, and good point about the sourcing of the OP27. When I've uploaded the image, is it possible to look at tags and the way the screen has been programmed?

JesperMP · Mar 17, 2015

No, it is just an image.

Based on the other thread, I am guessing you are looking at an ancient S5 system with no source code.
My advice, dont try to extend the life of the obsolete system. Replace it.

russg · Mar 17, 2015

The other thread is actually for a S7 PLC, but yes I have no back up files for that system.

russg · Mar 17, 2015

What modern siemens HMI's would you recommend to replace these two? I'm looking at the Comfort Panels and they seem quite good?

JesperMP · Mar 17, 2015

Comfort panels are exclusively programmed with TIA.
Apart from that I find them very good and surprisingly inexpensive.

Due to Siemens having stopped the previous generation panels, and is forcing us onto TIA, I am suggesting a PC RT instead of a panel.
A PC RT is till programmable with WinCC Flexible so you can transition to TIA when you are ready.

Only if you need to have the operators access the system from a dirty location in the field would I recommend a panel.

JesperMP · Mar 17, 2015

If you do want to switch to Comfort Panels and TIA, then a KP700 will fit in the cut-out of the OP27.

russg · Mar 17, 2015

JesperMP said:
No, it is just an image.

Based on the other thread, I am guessing you are looking at an ancient S5 system with no source code.
My advice, dont try to extend the life of the obsolete system. Replace it.

JesperMP said:
Comfort panels are exclusively programmed with TIA.
Apart from that I find them very good and surprisingly inexpensive.

Due to Siemens having stopped the previous generation panels, and is forcing us onto TIA, I am suggesting a PC RT instead of a panel.
A PC RT is till programmable with WinCC Flexible so you can transition to TIA when you are ready.

Only if you need to have the operators access the system from a dirty location in the field would I recommend a panel.

Ok thanks Jesper. What is a PC RT? And when you say panel, do you mean panelview?

JesperMP · Mar 17, 2015

By "panel" I mean an operator panel like OP27 or KP700.

"PC RT" is the HMI program developed with WinCC Flexible or WinCC TIA, that can run on a Windows PC. It is just like a HMI program running on an operator panel.
You need WinCC Flexible "Advanced" or WinCC "Advanced" to develop a PC RT.

russg · Mar 17, 2015

JesperMP said:
By "panel" I mean an operator panel like OP27 or KP700.

"PC RT" is the HMI program developed with WinCC Flexible or WinCC TIA, that can run on a Windows PC. It is just like a HMI program running on an operator panel.
You need WinCC Flexible "Advanced" or WinCC "Advanced" to develop a PC RT.

Ok, thank you Jesper. I've used WinCC Flex quite a bit in the past, so it would be good if I can use that to program new panels for this project. I like the look of the Comfort panles though and I think they would be good for this machine.

JesperMP · Mar 17, 2015

russg said:
I've used WinCC Flex quite a bit in the past, so it would be good if I can use that to program new panels for this project.

For WinCC Flexible you will be limited to PC RT and a few basic panels such as KTP600. You can still get some of the x77 panels, but the price will be excessive.

russg · Mar 17, 2015

JesperMP said:
For WinCC Flexible you will be limited to PC RT and a few basic panels such as KTP600. You can still get some of the x77 panels, but the price will be excessive.

I see. if I were to go for a Comfort Panel and program with TIA, would that mean I need to covert the S7-300 into a TIA format, or would this work fine on an MPI/DP coms? I'm assuming it will all work ok?

Also, do you know if the HMI software comes as standard with TIA Portal V13 Professional?

JesperMP · Mar 17, 2015

russg said:
if I were to go for a Comfort Panel and program with TIA, would that mean I need to covert the S7-300 into a TIA format, or would this work fine on an MPI/DP coms?

You can continue to use the S7-300 with STEP7 classic.
You can decide to either define the PLC tags manually. Or you can connect to the PLC tags by means of a "proxy controller" in the WinCC Project.

russg said:
Also, do you know if the HMI software comes as standard with TIA Portal V13 Professional?

WinCC Compact for the Basic panels is included. You need WinCC Standard for the Comfort panels, and WinCC Advanced for the PC RT.

russg · Mar 18, 2015

Thanks for all your help Jesper. I've got many things to think about now. I'd like to go with the newer ones, but that would also mean a Profinet card needs to be installed on the PLC, which is obviously more cost.

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