OT: Coronavirus do you care?

Every generation has their apocalypse.
My Great Grand Parents had the 1919 Flu . My grand parents had the bombing raids during the Battle of Britain. My parents had the 1 hour away from nuclear war during the Cuban missile crises. We had 9/11, now my kids have the Covid-19 outbreak of 2020

Peter Nachtwey said:

The numbers for Korea are pretty good because they have been testing.
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
8236 confirmed. 75 died and 1137 recovered.
That is a 6.18% mortality rate. The rest are waiting to go into the death or recovered group.

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Peter:

Just checked the website you provide. It quotes 8,320 infections and 75 deaths in South Korea. That is 0.9% not 6.18%. Why do you get this number? Am I not grasping something? Their first infections were many young people, over 60% women who smoke far less than men in South Korea, and as you said, they did not waste time in testing aggressively. This could be why the death rate is so low, unless those numbers are not reliable.

Also in Korea and Japan, where I live, the culture is such that no one shakes hands, kisses or hugs anybody. The JHU website quotes 833 infections and 27 deaths in Japan, that is 3.2% but remember there were a lot of over-seventy in the cruise that was stuck in Yokohama port at the beginning of the ordeal here. Yes, here we had school closures and many events cancellations, but we are have not been in anything like Wuhan or Milan.

Here people are obsessive with hand-washing, and in restaurants you get a wet towel for hand-wiping. And people have good manners here, to the point that when people have hay-fever allergies or colds, they wear masks so that when coughing or sneezing others do not get spilled.

I hope what has been achieved here in terms of infection reductions can be reproduced elsewhere.

https://youtu.be/lzeH4iVv370

AlfredoQuintero said:

Peter:

Just checked the website you provide. It quotes 8,320 infections and 75 deaths in South Korea. That is 0.9% not 6.18%. Why do you get this number? Am I not grasping something?

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You have to use the CLOSED cases to determine the mortality rate. You cannot use the infected number because you don’t know if they will recover or die. So you must use the number of closed cases (recovered and dead) over the dead to get the correct rate.

AlfredoQuintero said:

Just checked the website you provide. It quotes 8,320 infections and 75 deaths in South Korea. That is 0.9% not 6.18%. Why do you get this number? Am I not grasping something?

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The numbers have changed a bit. I will use updated numbers now.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/south-korea/
81 people have died but 1401 have recovered.
There are 6838 people infected now. This number has dropped as the number of infected have died or recovered.
So far 75/(75+1401) have died. That is 5.4%. That is still high but notice that the percentage of deaths to death plus recovered has dropped. This is probably due to learning how to help those that are sick. Notice there are only 6 new deaths and about 264 more people have recovered since the last update. The new rate is 2.27%. The rest of the 6838 will also die or recover. This rate is much higher than the number reported by the stupid main stream media. Eventually their number will converge with my number when there are no more infected people but in the meantime, the MSM under reports the severity of the problem.

We have got to find out what the South Koreans are doing right because the US is reacting instead of pro-acting. There are NO FEED FORWARDS!!!

In the US there are 17 deaths and 85 recovered. That is 17/(17+85)=1/6
WTF? I know a large part of the deaths were old folks in a nursing home but that number is still way too high.

The Koreans have neither closed their borders nor put the country under lock-down.
AFAIK, they have made very extensive testing to pinpoint and isolate only the infected.
Seems smart to me. They have contained the spreading of the virus while at the same minimizing the negative effects on the economy.

The world should setup a "corona passport". For people with due cause for travelling AND have been tested negative for corona within the same day as the departure.

Curious what you guys think about this affecting manufacturing. Right now my boss wants me to work from home and I have plenty of programming I can do at home and stay busy for the next couple weeks. Production at my company has slowed way down, staggered shifts, people taking vacation days etc. Nervous how this will affect business down the road.

At this moment and my personall guess for the next month or two;


isolate yourselves as much as possible


avoid any unnecassary fysical contact


the only people on the streets needs to be:


- emergency services
- police
- fire-depertemant
- transport of food and other vital products


This shows you why


https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/corona-simulator/



Listen to the chineese, learn from the chinese for onces in your lives and do as they tell you to do!


Yes, '!' and not '.'





The numbers in Europe support what the specialist are saying all the time.....and yes do you think that is will be different in your country?


At this moment we in Europe are not fast enough to do as the chineese are telling us to do...that's my 5 cents.....do'nt make the same mistake.


sorry for my spelling mistake's but every second matters.

ivo.maenen said:

At this moment and my personall guess for the next month or two;


isolate yourselves as much as possible


avoid any unnecassary fysical contact


the only people on the streets needs to be:


- emergency services
- police
- fire-depertemant
- transport of food and other vital products

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Homeless? Mentally ill? Addicts?
Ok let's say we lock those scum up. What about the poor sharing a home, bathrooms,water sources?

Yes listen to experts and yes some extreme measures need to be taken but there has to be sharing and sacrifice.
We must look at ourselves in the mirror and take responsibility for all the inequality around us for wall building and us and them mentality. I have no hope that any of this will happen but quite the opposite.

A_G said:

Curious what you guys think about this affecting manufacturing. .

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I am starting to see it, the orders are about half of what they were, about half of my orders are to manufacturers/automation industry the other half is to schools and individuals... I am expecting the short term to really slow down as factories close and stop production.

Sounds like a GM plant and Ford plant both have a case. UAW is demanding they shut down for two weeks.

That will slow things down in Detroit.

Rson said:

Sounds like a GM plant and Ford plant both have a case. UAW is demanding they shut down for two weeks.

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Chrysler also

padees said:

I just got back from Meijer in Grand Haven. It was pretty much cleaned out, but stocking is under way for tomorrow.

I just went there to get a few things that were still on sale from this week. I just checked online 1st to see if they had them.

I went to another store in Spring Lake earlier and they were pretty much cleaned out of a lot of items. The meat case was pretty much empty.

My buddy in Indiana went to the store at 3:00am because he didn't want to be around many people. Not a roll of TP in the place. Even all the napkins were gone.

This TP thing is just panic buying.

I went to the store for the Corned Beef and Orange Juice sales, and I got what I wanted. Yay!!

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Three days later and the GH stores are still cleaned out. D+W was the most well stocked but I had to go to three stores to gather enough to make meals for five days. Lets say I will either be dead or completely tired of Polska Kielbasa by the time this is over.

Originally posted by 77nomad:

...or completely tired of Polska Kielbasa ...

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That is NOT a possibility. Send a couple rings my way and I'll swap you some frozen fish sticks.

Keith