Siemens TIA Portal V13 and Safety System V2.1 - PLCS.net

kamenges · March 18th, 2023, 12:08 PM

I am working on a program that was developed in 2015 for an S7-300 safety PLC. The new copy of this machine uses an S7-1500 safety plc. We were asked to stay at Portal V13 if we could.

The F-IO DBs in the S7-300 included point specific quality (status) inputs (QBAD). This didn't come in with the S7-1500 until safety system 2.1. My development library currently only lets me go as high as safety system V1.3. I would like to use the point specific QBAD bits if possible since that is how the previous program was written. Is safety system 2.1 compatible with Portal 13 as an update or would I need to go to a higher version of Portal to get safety system 2.1?

Thanks,
Keith

sigmadelta · March 18th, 2023, 05:34 PM

According to this document, it looks like you need V14 or higher. If you obtain a V18 license, you can run older versions under it.

https://cache.industry.siemens.com/d...1C_A1_1.20.pdf

kamenges · March 18th, 2023, 08:26 PM

Understood. Thank you.

Keith

mikesoier · March 19th, 2023, 10:46 PM

Unfortunately, it is not possible to update the Portal V13 to Safety System 2.1. The latest version of the Portal software compatible with Safety System 2.1 is V14 Update 3. Upgrading to this version will be necessary if you would like to use the point specific QBAD bits in the S7-1500 safety PLC.

baref00t25 · March 20th, 2023, 08:26 AM

The Safety System 2.1 is also hardware specific. So even if you upgrade to the latest version of TIA Portal you may not get point specific QBAD from all your hardware.

TIA Portal V13 was unstable in my opinion; 15.1 was really the first version that was fairly stable. Also 1500 CPU's should be at or above firmware 2.8 so they are stable. I believe V14 only supports up to firmware 2.1 of the 1500.

Ken Moore · March 20th, 2023, 09:58 AM

Since you cannot stay at V13, if you must upgrade versions, why not go to the latest and greatest?

March 18th, 2023, 12:08 PM	#1
kamenges Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Brillion, WI Posts: 4,276	Siemens TIA Portal V13 and Safety System V2.1 I am working on a program that was developed in 2015 for an S7-300 safety PLC. The new copy of this machine uses an S7-1500 safety plc. We were asked to stay at Portal V13 if we could. The F-IO DBs in the S7-300 included point specific quality (status) inputs (QBAD). This didn't come in with the S7-1500 until safety system 2.1. My development library currently only lets me go as high as safety system V1.3. I would like to use the point specific QBAD bits if possible since that is how the previous program was written. Is safety system 2.1 compatible with Portal 13 as an update or would I need to go to a higher version of Portal to get safety system 2.1? Thanks, Keith

March 20th, 2023, 09:58 AM	#6
Ken Moore Lifetime Supporting Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: North, West, South Carolina Posts: 3,317	Since you cannot stay at V13, if you must upgrade versions, why not go to the latest and greatest? __________________ Certified Siemens Functional Safety Professional, ID: SFSP17010238 NRA Benefactor

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March 18th, 2023, 08:26 PM	#3
kamenges Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Brillion, WI Posts: 4,276	Understood. Thank you. Keith

March 19th, 2023, 10:46 PM	#4
mikesoier Member Join Date: Aug 2021 Location: UK Posts: 2	Unfortunately, it is not possible to update the Portal V13 to Safety System 2.1. The latest version of the Portal software compatible with Safety System 2.1 is V14 Update 3. Upgrading to this version will be necessary if you would like to use the point specific QBAD bits in the S7-1500 safety PLC.

March 20th, 2023, 08:26 AM	#5
baref00t25 Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Central Wisconsin Posts: 160	The Safety System 2.1 is also hardware specific. So even if you upgrade to the latest version of TIA Portal you may not get point specific QBAD from all your hardware. TIA Portal V13 was unstable in my opinion; 15.1 was really the first version that was fairly stable. Also 1500 CPU's should be at or above firmware 2.8 so they are stable. I believe V14 only supports up to firmware 2.1 of the 1500.

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