OT: This is interesting

sparkie · Dec 30, 2018

So, I stumbled across this article today. The reason I feel it is relevant is that many of us here use Weintek based HMI's, and this article mentions that China has said it expects its companies to participate in espionage. What does this mean for a large Chinese company like Weintek, and how much of their source code do they make available to do their "partners" such as Maple Systems?

https://nypost.com/2018/12/22/how-arrest-of-chinese-princess-exposes-regimes-world-domination-plot/

Jonnie_R · Dec 30, 2018

Weintek are Taiwan based aren't they? Relations between Taiwan and China have generally been a bit frosty, even though Taiwan is run by the Republic of China.

China is run by the Peoples Republic of China. China doesn't recognise the ROC, and considers Taiwan to be Chinese Taipei, however that doesn't mean they have influence over the island.

sparkie · Dec 30, 2018

Jonnie_R said:
Weintek are Taiwan based aren't they? Relations between Taiwan and China have generally been a bit frosty, even though Taiwan is run by the Republic of China.

China is run by the Peoples Republic of China. China doesn't recognise the ROC, and considers Taiwan to be Chinese Taipei, however that doesn't mean they have influence over the island.

Yea, the entire Taiwan-China thing is quite a tricky one. I didn't know that they were Taiwanese, though. I thought that they were Chinese. In my mind, I have always considered them "different".

damica1 · Dec 30, 2018

I appreciate the article, but I can't make a comment without bringing "Politics" into the picture, and since this is a forum about PLC's and Industrial Automation. I will just say Thanks for the read!

Jonnie_R · Dec 30, 2018

sparkie said:
Yea, the entire Taiwan-China thing is quite a tricky one. I didn't know that they were Taiwanese, though. I thought that they were Chinese. In my mind, I have always considered them "different".

See the screenshot taken from their website. I don't think anyone should be trusted in this modern era, particularly given Australia passing a law requiring back doors in to software systems.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/06/world/australia/encryption-bill-nauru.html

cardosocea · Dec 30, 2018

sparkie said:
So, I stumbled across this article today. The reason I feel it is relevant is that many of us here use Weintek based HMI's, and this article mentions that China has said it expects its companies to participate in espionage. What does this mean for a large Chinese company like Weintek, and how much of their source code do they make available to do their "partners" such as Maple Systems?

https://nypost.com/2018/12/22/how-arrest-of-chinese-princess-exposes-regimes-world-domination-plot/

Perhaps this is yet another thing to bear in mind when it comes to networking production facilities? Most people care about traffic from outside, this seems to make a case for bearing in mind traffic in both ways.

sparkie · Dec 30, 2018

Okay, cool. That being said though, even in the US our government has said publicly that it wants backdoors on things such as encryption to aid in law enforcement investigations. I know it makes the lives harder of those trying to help us, but we can't take the risk that those technologies are misused. It is already happening with mass surveillance. Even Great Britain has laws against making fun of Parliament members. It is a slippery slope we are headed down.

Jonnie_R · Dec 30, 2018

sparkie said:
I know Even Great Britain has laws against making fun of Parliament members. It is a slippery slope we are headed down.

Has it? I've never heard of it and I live here.

BryanG · Dec 30, 2018

Sorry to be even more OT. These are 'Rules of Coverage' for the UK Parliament part of which say

Parliamentary material can be used only in news and factual programmes or for educational purposes. No Parliamentary recording may be used in light entertainment, or fictional or drama programmes, or programmes of political satire.

We are still allowed to make fun of members of the UK Government, and in these times of Brexit they are very much due some serious comedy.

The full guide lines can be found here:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/editorialguidelines/guidance/parliamentary-broadcasting

Jonnie_R · Dec 30, 2018

BryanG said:
Sorry to be even more OT. These are 'Rules of Coverage' for the UK Parliament part of which say We are still allowed to make fun of members of the UK Government, and in these times of Brexit they are very much due some serious comedy.

The full guide lines can be found here:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/editorialguidelines/guidance/parliamentary-broadcasting

Thanks for that Bryan. I didn't think satire was dead yet. It makes sense that you can't redistribute the parliamentary broadcasts for comedic effect though as surely parliament own the rights to the footage.

ASF · Jan 1, 2019

Jonnie_R said:
See the screenshot taken from their website. I don't think anyone should be trusted in this modern era, particularly given Australia passing a law requiring back doors in to software systems.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/06/world/australia/encryption-bill-nauru.html

On behalf of Australia: sorry about that. It only happened because our federal government is having a brief moment of completely moronic self-destruction, which will be over momentarily when the election is called and the current government is demolished by a public fed up with their f***wittery. Hopefully the incoming government will make some more balanced adjustments to that panicked rush-job debacle that somehow passes as "legislation".

Anyway. Back to PLC's!

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