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Phrog30
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I have worked with AdvancedHMI. Though it is free and kind of interesting app,its object library is not too complete and lacks of many things.
Phrog30
Member
I have worked with AdvancedHMI. Though it is free and kind of interesting app,its object library is not too complete and lacks of many things.
Tell me what you think it's missing and I'm sure I'll show you otherwise. The only thing that it really lacks is creating graphics. But there are work arounds. Plus if you follow high performance HMI guidelines, graphics really aren't needed.
However, I'm sure I can give you an app that will immediately fit your needs. It's worth a shot.
We are in the same boat and I enjoy working with AdvancedHMI. The problem is that I can trust it and give it to clients.
Phrog30
Member
I'm guessing you meant to say you can't trust it. Why not? Explain why you think that is and let us try and prove you wrong. We aren't in the same boat, I've deployed it several times and the clients were thrilled.
What he probably means is his client would **** a brick if they knew he sold them something developed from shareware/freeware.
I love AdavancedHMI and have used it for many things, but selling or deploying in a corporate funded project is a no go. I hate that it’s that way, but it’s just that way. An OEM can design a proprietary HMI with their own CIP drivers and package it in an exe, and it’s ok (as long as source code is provided to end user, or an extended support contract through the expected life of project).
What is Archie’s take on using his product to sell to a client?
Also AdvancedHMI is limitless in the VisualStudio environment, the programmer is the only hurdle at that point, IMO.
I love AdavancedHMI and have used it for many things, but selling or deploying in a corporate funded project is a no go. I hate that it’s that way, but it’s just that way. An OEM can design a proprietary HMI with their own CIP drivers and package it in an exe, and it’s ok (as long as source code is provided to end user, or an extended support contract through the expected life of project).
What is Archie’s take on using his product to sell to a client?
Also AdvancedHMI is limitless in the VisualStudio environment, the programmer is the only hurdle at that point, IMO.
dmroeder
Lifetime Supporting Member
My understanding of the GPL is that you can sell the end product, you just have to give/make available the source code.
Archie
Member
It's no different than using FT, Ignition, Red Lion, C-More, etc. You are not selling the software, you are selling the application you developed. As long as you comply with the license, you have the freedom to sell your applications or use it and save money on software license to make your machine or system more competitively priced.
To MRay…. I'd be interested in hearing why you feel you do not trust it. If it is stability you are concerned about, I know of several multi-million dollar critical lines that depend on it and the operators and managers will tell you the HMI applications are possibly the most dependable part of the line. I even know of 2 large plants where at least 80% of the HMI/SCADA systems are based on AdvancedHMI. Just keep in mind the hardware used is a very important part when it comes to reliability.
Ken Roach
Lifetime Supporting Member + Moderator
No, Ignition could not be further from a standalone executable; it's a client/server based system that relies heavily on an SQL server.
But it's browser-launched, so you can do a "zero install" on a client computer, as long as the client computer has Java.
Please explain more of what you're looking for in your HMI software. Are you an OEM, or trying to distribute an HMI with a minimum of installation and licensing effort ?
Because I have never used AdvancedHMI for my clients and so, I think some thing might happen later in production. Now it is a good news that you are saying this app is being used in big projects.
So, do you suggest me to use a free version open source visual studio one or purchase the stand-alone ControlLogix/CompactLogix driver?
I got it. Tnx
Though I work for an integrator company and they have most of the licensed software, I need some thing to work with in my personal home lab to test my codes and ideas. I can't afford getting the license of those expensive software and they are gonna cost me an arm an a leg.
Appreciate for any suggestion.
Archie
Member
AdvancedHMI and the Stand-Alone driver are completely different products.
AdvancedHMI is a complete package with a range of communication drivers and a multitude of components that work with the drivers without the need to write any code.
The stand-alone driver is ONLY a single communication driver used when writing your own code.
The drivers integrated into AdvancedHMI will also allow you to write VB or C# code to access data in a PLC. The MAJOR difference is the license model. AdvancedHMI is based on a GPL model which basically means you must pass the full project source onto the end user and are also required to maintain all original components in the project. While the stand-alone driver can be used in closed source applications that do not require you to pass your project source to the end user.
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