Micro800 vs MicroLogix

Does anyone have any new insights or expeiences with m800 series?
We are currently using Micrologix 1100/1400 and are discussing of using m800 for our budget solutions. I've played around a bit with CCW, but I'm not really keen on using it. I'm still more inclined to using Micrologix or S7-1200 for that (or slightly higher) cost grade.

I like them.... the 820 is a good for small projects and the 850 is good for larger ones, just like anything new the software is getting better with every update

(In a hurry...don't forget to mention the brand new Micro870!...

http://ab.rockwellautomation.com/Programmable-Controllers/Micro870

...G.)

My first impression is that it is pretty clunky to the point of frustrating. Nothing like RS Logix . My impression is that it gives Rockwell users an opportunity to look at other brands for the small end PLC's. I see less of a learning curve from Logix to Automation Direct than Logix to CCW.

Geospark said:

(In a hurry...don't forget to mention the brand new Micro870!...

http://ab.rockwellautomation.com/Programmable-Controllers/Micro870

...G.)

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Nice... wonder if they will be using the 850 expansion I/O ? or will it have its own line ?

Always get slapped for doing this but....

Try the Idec FC6A for your smaller jobs. Easy to program, Intuitive features, Free support, low cost.

Depending on how small the job is you might even try the FL1A Smart relay. Software was developed by Siemens

jaden said:

My first impression is that it is pretty clunky to the point of frustrating. Nothing like RS Logix . My impression is that it gives Rockwell users an opportunity to look at other brands for the small end PLC's. I see less of a learning curve from Logix to Automation Direct than Logix to CCW.

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My impression (granted, from the initial launch) was that the programming software looked like something you would give to a 10 year old to learn programming. It isn't exactly ugly, its just.... not professional looking. More Mickey Mouse than factories & machines.

Features wise, I've heard it's gained a lot since then, not judging it there. Just superficially. But as far as I know, it doesn't have anything in common with any of the Logix CPUs; you're jumping to a whole new platform.

geniusintraining said:

Nice... wonder if they will be using the 850 expansion I/O ? or will it have its own line ?

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From the pictures, it at least LOOKS about the same, but who knows.

John Morris said:

Always get slapped for doing this but....

Try the Idec FC6A for your smaller jobs. Easy to program, Intuitive features, Free support, low cost.

Depending on how small the job is you might even try the FL1A Smart relay. Software was developed by Siemens

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I think the FL1A is the same as the LOGO! from Siemens, so it makes sense they share the software. I'm curious who actually developed/makes the HW. Not sure if this is a compliment or a complaint when I say that it has basically nothing in common with it's PLC big brothers. It's impressive how much Ethernet functionality is getting in at even the bottom end of the spectrum, though.

mk42 said:

My impression (granted, from the initial launch) was that the programming software looked like something you would give to a 10 year old to learn programming. It isn't exactly ugly, its just.... not professional looking. More Mickey Mouse than factories & machines.

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Its a lot better now and I think it will continue to get better, I think any new software will need to go through many changes in its life... TIA Portal 9.5 was terrible anything you did you would get the blue screen of death but 14/15 is much better

When the first version of Click software came out they had many issues with the program after the download and that was a big issue

I think its kind like dont buy the first anything on the market

geniusintraining said:

Its a lot better now and I think it will continue to get better, I think any new software will need to go through many changes in its life... TIA Portal 9.5 was terrible anything you did you would get the blue screen of death but 14/15 is much better

When the first version of Click software came out they had many issues with the program after the download and that was a big issue

I think its kind like dont buy the first anything on the market

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Does it still look the same, though? Like I said, I was purely complaining about the superficial stuff.

Im OK with the way any of the software looks... for me its all about how easy and user friendly it is to complete a task or learn a new one, see below, I think it looks fine

Looks like Easy Soft PRO software for

Eaton Smart Relays

Don't use it any more

(Back, in not such a big hurry...)

geniusintraining said:

Nice... wonder if they will be using the 850 expansion I/O ? or will it have its own line ?

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mk42 said:

...From the pictures, it at least LOOKS about the same, but who knows...

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Me knows...

The Micro870 supports the same 2080- Plug-in Modules and 2085- Expansion I/O Modules as the Micro850 controller.

The 850 supports up to 5 Plug-in Modules
The 870 supports up to 3 Plug-in Modules

The 850 supports up to 4 Expansion I/O Modules
The 870 supports up to 8 Expansion I/O Modules


The 850 supports up to 132 max. Digital I/O
The 870 supports up to 296 max. Digital I/O

The 850 supports up to 10K instructions / 20Kb data
The 870 supports up to 20K instructions / 280Kb data

The 850 supports up to 6 x 100 KHz High Speed Counters (HSC)
The 870 supports up to 4 x 100 KHz High Speed Counters (HSC)

There are currently only two controller models being released (March 2018) for the Micro870 -

2080-LC70-24QWB - 4 IN / 10 OUT RELAY / 0 PTO / 4 HSC
2080-LC70-24QBB - 4 IN / 10 OUT 24VDC / 3 PTO / 4 HSC

Whereas there are currently Micro850 controller models that support more Embedded I/O -

2080-LC50-48QBB - 28 IN / 20 OUT / 3 PTO / 6 HSC

I'm sure other models of the Micro870 will be released in time.

CCW v11 (due for release this month) will introduce -

Run Mode Change allows for Online Editing (Developer Edition)
User-Defined Data Types (UDT) (Developer Edition)
Instruction Toolbar for quicker drag/drop
Copy/paste from RSLogix 500 or Logix Designer
AOPs for PowerFlex Drives / GuardShield Safety Light Curtains
PanelView 800 Enhanced - FTP (alarms, data log, recipes), Email, Printing (Ethernet or USB)

...and so on.

I wrote this little synopsis of my assessment to that point of the Micro800 family of controllers...

http://www.plctalk.net/qanda/showpost.php?p=616127&postcount=4

I also forgot to mention they support Floating Point 32-bit & 64-bit.

Regards,
George

oh man, I could really use 64bit floating point sometimes. Last week as a matter of fact.

Geospark said:

Me knows...

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I got the same info from our distributor.

We are already using PV800 along the Micrologix, which we intend to keep using, since it's not too expensive and we already have our HMI applications finished. That's why I wouldn't like to introduce other controllers. I imagine reconnecting tags from Micrologix to m800 wouldn't be trouble.

Thank you for your answers, I won't be too eager to dismiss m800. I hope the new CCW v11 will be more user friendly (or that I'd get used to it).

*bj said:

I got the same info from our distributor...

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Our Rockwell Account Manager is here tommorow to bring me up to speed with all things wonderful on the latest they have to offer. I'll ask more on the Micro870, if they have anything to add.

When he phoned to arrange a visit he thought he had lots to tell me about but by the end of the call the shoe was on the other foot. He did not know about half the things I mentioned I knew of and so he's bringing a "Specialist" with him, just in case. We'll see how "Special" they feel once I'm finished with them. I promise I'll try go easy. The Account Manager is South African, so I do love hearing his voice, even if I'm not always "listening".

G.