writing an hmi from scratch using VB - PLCS.net

ganutenator · November 17th, 2020, 10:10 PM

Anyone have any experience doing this?
Is this too much of an undertaking to consider?
What are the biggest hurdles?
My guesses of the biggest hurdles:
SSL email, text message api
alarm history
modbus tcp driver

_Dock_ · November 17th, 2020, 10:18 PM

Lots and lots of machine tool manufacturers us VB for the operator interface, but those controls are usually all PC based.

So, to answer your question it depends. If you had a giant production line I’d say you’d be reinventing the wheel. If you had a stand alone machine I’d say go for it.

GaryS · November 17th, 2020, 11:36 PM

The answer to your question is me
I have completed quit a few VB and Net Studio HMI's
i actually prefer it. It's far more flexible
the attached is a main screen done completely in Net Studio

janner_10 · November 18th, 2020, 01:10 AM

The truck hasn't aged well.

parky · November 18th, 2020, 03:57 AM

The cost/time of making an HMI from scratch is probably not worth it.
I have done this for a company for a standard piece of plant but it got a bit too much regarding protocols for different PLC's depending on customers requirements etc. after all, why re-invent the wheel.

cardosocea · November 18th, 2020, 05:01 AM

I didn't know helicopters could transport banners...

Wouldn't Archie at Advanced HMI be someone that could provide some input on this?

ndzied1 · November 18th, 2020, 06:05 AM

If you want a taste of Vb HMI development without a lot of investment time, check out Advanced HMI.

damica1 · November 18th, 2020, 06:52 AM

All of that -- Super easy with "Ignition Scada".

Jmeadows7676 · November 18th, 2020, 08:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaryS

The answer to your question is me
I have completed quit a few VB and Net Studio HMI's
i actually prefer it. It's far more flexible
the attached is a main screen done completely in Net Studio

is this vb forms??
Did you design your own driver for communication?
I would like to play with this and have so experience in vb studio

drbitboy · November 18th, 2020, 10:39 AM

OT

I have read that VB (Visual Basic) is approaching end of life. Do the various VB-using technologies (FT, AdvancedHMI, etc.) have a migration plan e.g. Visual C/C++ or Visual C#?

GaryS · November 18th, 2020, 10:54 AM

VB was rolled into Net Studio some time back
Net Studio is what Rockwell used to create Logix5000 and Panel View
Many other applications are created using it.
the one shown on the earlier post is actually Net Studio
i would venture to say the base program for most of the HMI programs is Net Studio
so don't think it's going where

kwade · November 18th, 2020, 12:36 PM

According to Paul Thurrott's article (link) ...
Microsoft is not killing vb.net, but will not develop any new features or evolve the language.

gbradley · November 18th, 2020, 01:08 PM

GaryS, that picture is awesome.
Are those the Sutter Buttes?

g.mccormick · November 18th, 2020, 02:40 PM

GaryS. That HMI is awesome. Is there any animation?

drbitboy · November 18th, 2020, 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kwade

According to Paul Thurrott's article (link) ...
Microsoft is not killing vb.net, but will not develop any new features or evolve the language.

Yes, I overstated the case. I found one article that quoted VB (VB6?) as "the cockroach that can't be killed."

November 17th, 2020, 10:10 PM	#1
ganutenator Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: kansas Posts: 1,242	writing an hmi from scratch using VB Anyone have any experience doing this? Is this too much of an undertaking to consider? What are the biggest hurdles? My guesses of the biggest hurdles: SSL email, text message api alarm history modbus tcp driver

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damica1 Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Illinois Posts: 838	All of that -- Super easy with "Ignition Scada". __________________ David M. Camp Unlocking the power of IOT in Oil & Gas!

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November 17th, 2020, 10:18 PM	#2
_Dock_ Member Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: KY Posts: 389	Lots and lots of machine tool manufacturers us VB for the operator interface, but those controls are usually all PC based. So, to answer your question it depends. If you had a giant production line I’d say you’d be reinventing the wheel. If you had a stand alone machine I’d say go for it.

November 18th, 2020, 01:10 AM	#4
janner_10 Lifetime Supporting Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Tewkesbury Posts: 1,109	The truck hasn't aged well.

November 18th, 2020, 03:57 AM	#5
parky Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Midlands Posts: 2,744	The cost/time of making an HMI from scratch is probably not worth it. I have done this for a company for a standard piece of plant but it got a bit too much regarding protocols for different PLC's depending on customers requirements etc. after all, why re-invent the wheel.

November 18th, 2020, 05:01 AM	#6
cardosocea Member Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: Fields of corn Posts: 1,747	I didn't know helicopters could transport banners... Wouldn't Archie at Advanced HMI be someone that could provide some input on this?

November 18th, 2020, 10:54 AM	#11
GaryS Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Lancaster Pa. Posts: 1,470	VB was rolled into Net Studio some time back Net Studio is what Rockwell used to create Logix5000 and Panel View Many other applications are created using it. the one shown on the earlier post is actually Net Studio i would venture to say the base program for most of the HMI programs is Net Studio so don't think it's going where

November 18th, 2020, 12:36 PM	#12
kwade Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: sc Posts: 378	According to Paul Thurrott's article (link) ... Microsoft is not killing vb.net, but will not develop any new features or evolve the language.

November 18th, 2020, 01:08 PM	#13
gbradley Lifetime Supporting Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Corona, Ca. Posts: 1,579	GaryS, that picture is awesome. Are those the Sutter Buttes?

November 18th, 2020, 02:40 PM	#14
g.mccormick Lifetime Supporting Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: IN Posts: 766	GaryS. That HMI is awesome. Is there any animation?

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