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Old July 6th, 2010, 05:22 PM   #1
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Smile Reading a DC Motor name plate???

Hello control gurus,

I have a question about reading a DC motor nameplate.

I have a motor below:
200hp
1750/2400 RPM
500 Varm
320 Iarm
150/300 Vfld
8-4.6 / 4-2.4 Ifld

Currently my field on my motor is wired in series F2-F3, f1 to drive, f4 to drive.

What field voltage and current should i program into my drive? Why is there also a 8-4.6 / 4-2.4? (dash?)

My Powerflex DC drive is a 200HP drive, 460VAC.

Any comments?

Hope to hear from someone.
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Old July 6th, 2010, 06:46 PM   #2
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Here is a little help. Series field voltage would be 300 vdc. Using a 300 vdc field supply, it would draw the 4 amps and the motor should turn 1750 RPM. If you lowered the field voltage, say about 30%-40%, the field would draw the 2.4 amps and the motor should turn 2400 RPM. The RPM's are based on having 500 vdc on the Armature. All this information is only approximate so wait for better info from someone else. Of course, the 8-4.6 would apply if the field supply vdc were 150 vdc and the field were wired in parallel.

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Old July 7th, 2010, 07:07 AM   #3
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The field on this nameplate is a shunt, not a series field. That simply means that it is wired as a separate circuit from the armature. Probably what jrwb4gbm means is that the field windings are split into two separate sections, each rated 4amps and 150V. You can wire them in parallel to create an 8amp 150VDC field or in series (as the OP indicates has been done) to create a 4amp 300V field.

It is the field current that is important on a DC motor, not so much the voltage. When a field winding is cold, its resistance is lower and it takes less voltage to get the rated current to flow. For this reason, DC drives usually provide a current regulated field supply.

The two field currents (4.0 and 2.4amps) listed in each field configuration are first, for the full rated field which gives you the full rated torque over the speed range of zero to base speed (1750rpm, in this case). If you weaken the field strength by reducing the field current, you reduce the available torque but increase the max speed in the same proportion. In this case, you can weaken the field down to 2.4amps which will cause the speed range to shift from zero to 2400rpm. The torque will be reduced from nominal by the ratio 1750/2400. Further reductions in field current are not advised since the motor can become unstable and may also exceed its maximum rated speed.

It is very important on DC motors to observe the maximum speed limit. DC motors have wound armatures and, compared to AC motors, they are very fragile. On this motor, I would take the 2400rpm to be the maximum safe speed and it should be considered the absolute max limit.

The OP didn't say, but the nameplate should also say something about the way the field is built. The choices are: straight shunt, stab. shunt, and comp shunt. The straight shunt motor only has the shunt field we described above. The other two are compound wound fields having the shunt field plus an additional series field that is part of the armature circuit.

A compound field motor is not symetrical as to direction. It makes more torque forward than reverse. It is essential that the series field be properly wired (the S1 and S2 leads) or the motor will behave very poorly. A straight shunt motor will not have S1 and S2 leads.

Hope this clarifies a few things.
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Old July 8th, 2010, 07:22 AM   #4
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The data given by you seems to be for a shunt motor. If the motor were to be re-connected as a series motor then the field and armature current would be the same value. The field winding would therefore have to pass a current of about 320 Amps. This does not seem feasible as the field current rating given is less than 10 amps.
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Old July 8th, 2010, 08:55 AM   #5
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Hey DickDV,
I'm confused. This is a 200 HP motor. The armature is listed at 320 amps. What can putting a few amps through the field do? You know the whole Newtons Law "Equal and oppsite thing". Do you know a link for advanced DC motor theroy? Thanks.
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Old July 8th, 2010, 09:31 AM   #6
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kw = Va * Ia

= 500V * 320A
= 160000W

746 W/HP
= 214.4HP

The extra 14HP calculated are parasitic losses in the motor. A little less or a little more field current won't change the HP of the motor, less will just make it speed up with less torque, more will make it slow down with more torque, the HP remains the same. Make sense?
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Old July 8th, 2010, 03:04 PM   #7
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jimfun71, the field winding only provides the stationary field that the armature needs to develop torque. Physically, it is many turns of small wire providing high flux with very low current. A field winding designed for a shunt motor must never be wired in series with the armature as the current would be too high or the voltage loss to much to run the armature.
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Old July 9th, 2010, 02:07 PM   #8
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@ Dick Dv

Dick your post are always so informative. Do you mind my asking what your educational background is? EE,ME,?

You must have attended a great school. Your drives knowledge is "off the chain"
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Old July 9th, 2010, 03:41 PM   #9
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PLC Kid, I'm 64 years old and my formal education ended in 1966. It was a two year program at DeVry Institute of Technology in Chicago and I had a shiny new AAS degree in Electronic Engineering Technology. It became very obselete many years ago.

My Lord has blessed me with a memory that works, a mind that processes information fairly well, and an intense curiosity to discover how things really work. But none of that would have helped much without the willingness of others to share what they know with me. That process is still going on today.

So, thanks for the kind comments but as I'm sure you've heard before---Everything I know I learned from someone else!

These days I get great satisfaction from helping others come to understand mechanical and electrical things. This BBS, one other BBS (Eng-Tips.net), and a part-time job teaching three-day seminars around the country for NTT in Centennial Colorado help me "pass it on".
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