PLC/HMI that can have a program using RTC - PLCS.net

rscrivner · January 13th, 2021, 12:24 PM

Hello everyone and thank you for your assistance before hand.

I have a request from a customer that wants to run a conveyor for only 15 to 30 seconds twice a day. No big deal easy enough. The problem is that this customer wants the conveyor to run only at 5 AM for 15 to 30 seconds and then be off until it is turned on again at 7 PM for 15 to 30 seconds. This is an every day routine. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

harryting · January 13th, 2021, 12:27 PM

As a starting point, what controller and other hardware does the customer have right now? What's the budget?

rscrivner · January 13th, 2021, 12:30 PM

Only hardware for sure is a Minarik DC drive. Budget is a low as possible. I have been looking at a Maple HMI/PLC unit to see if it could provide this function but have not found that information yet.

OkiePC · January 13th, 2021, 12:36 PM

Click PLC with Ethernet has a RTC. If you need an HMI to go with it, my preference is Red Lion but for cheaper there are C-Mores that work well with a Click.
https://www.automationdirect.com/adc...its/c0-10dre-d
That one has Ethernet and relay outputs. You can save a few dollars by going with the Standard instead of Ethernet version and if you want an interposing relay, you can get one with transistor outputs in either family. In my opinion, always go with the Ethernet models.

Liam Moran · January 13th, 2021, 12:42 PM

Why not use something simple like a Siemens Logo or similar? They are inexpensive and simple.

rscrivner · January 13th, 2021, 12:52 PM

Liam

My company mainly uses Rockwell for PLCS and HMI. We have used Maple systems before as well though.

Liam Moran · January 13th, 2021, 12:58 PM

Rockwell have a similar product to the Logo called Micro 800. I have never used one, but I am sure it would have similar functionality.

rscrivner · January 13th, 2021, 01:00 PM

Thank you Liam. I am looking into the Rockwell as well as the Maple systems. Just trying to see which one is cost effective and will still allow me to use the RTC as part of the ladder logic for the program.

L D[AR2,P#0.0] · January 13th, 2021, 01:03 PM

Central heating controller/one of these?

rupej · January 13th, 2021, 01:05 PM

If it's Rockwell, a MicroLogix 1100/1400 would work as well if you're more familiar with those.

drbitboy · January 13th, 2021, 01:50 PM

To what accuracy is the turn-on event 5am and 7pm expected? 10minutes? 100ms? Is drift acceptable i.e. 05:00:00 one day and 05:00:01 a week later?

What determines how long the conveyor runs? is it the same every day? does someone turn it off manually?

Should the conveyor run on weekends?

What is the environment (indoors? outdoors? panel enclosure)?

We have battery-powered "candles," probably from Walmar, that we put in the windows every year around 01.December. when you screw in the bulb at 4pm, they light stay lit for 5-6h; with no more intervention they repeat that every day at the same time until we unscrew the bulb.

Even a minimal PLC is more than this project requires; but the greater bulk of the cost is going to be labor for the wiring and programming. So anything that has a clock could potentially work; this could be done in a spare laptop with a printer port and GWBasic.

Lare · January 13th, 2021, 04:10 PM

Timer relay as LD writed would be most cost effective.
It only needs AC-supply and wiring from relay out to VFD start input.

rscrivner · January 13th, 2021, 04:14 PM

Thank you all for the valuable inputs. I have narrowed down my choices and will submit it to my customer for their approval.

Ken Moore · January 13th, 2021, 04:20 PM

Sounds like a poop collection system at a Diary Farm.
Clear the contents after each milking cycle.

Almost any smart relay should work. I use these for
home projects. https://www.factorymation.com/SG2_PL...feature_PLR_SB

January 13th, 2021, 12:24 PM	#1
rscrivner Member Join Date: Sep 2019 Location: Ft Worth, TX Posts: 7	PLC/HMI that can have a program using RTC Hello everyone and thank you for your assistance before hand. I have a request from a customer that wants to run a conveyor for only 15 to 30 seconds twice a day. No big deal easy enough. The problem is that this customer wants the conveyor to run only at 5 AM for 15 to 30 seconds and then be off until it is turned on again at 7 PM for 15 to 30 seconds. This is an every day routine. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

January 13th, 2021, 12:36 PM	#4
OkiePC Lifetime Supporting Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: ENE of Nowhere Oklahoma Posts: 10,805	Click PLC with Ethernet has a RTC. If you need an HMI to go with it, my preference is Red Lion but for cheaper there are C-Mores that work well with a Click. https://www.automationdirect.com/adc...its/c0-10dre-d That one has Ethernet and relay outputs. You can save a few dollars by going with the Standard instead of Ethernet version and if you want an interposing relay, you can get one with transistor outputs in either family. In my opinion, always go with the Ethernet models. __________________ You can choose a ready guide in some celestial voice. If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice.

January 13th, 2021, 04:20 PM	#14
Ken Moore Lifetime Supporting Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: North, West, South Carolina Posts: 2,956	Sounds like a poop collection system at a Diary Farm. Clear the contents after each milking cycle. Almost any smart relay should work. I use these for home projects. https://www.factorymation.com/SG2_PL...feature_PLR_SB __________________ Certified Siemens Functional Safety Professional, ID: SFSP17010238 https://azr.com/ Last edited by Ken Moore; January 13th, 2021 at 04:26 PM.

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January 13th, 2021, 12:27 PM	#2
harryting Lifetime Supporting Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Puget Sound Posts: 2,285	As a starting point, what controller and other hardware does the customer have right now? What's the budget?

January 13th, 2021, 12:30 PM	#3
rscrivner Member Join Date: Sep 2019 Location: Ft Worth, TX Posts: 7	Only hardware for sure is a Minarik DC drive. Budget is a low as possible. I have been looking at a Maple HMI/PLC unit to see if it could provide this function but have not found that information yet.

January 13th, 2021, 12:42 PM	#5
Liam Moran Lifetime Supporting Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Carlow Posts: 367	Why not use something simple like a Siemens Logo or similar? They are inexpensive and simple.

January 13th, 2021, 12:52 PM	#6
rscrivner Member Join Date: Sep 2019 Location: Ft Worth, TX Posts: 7	Liam My company mainly uses Rockwell for PLCS and HMI. We have used Maple systems before as well though.

January 13th, 2021, 12:58 PM	#7
Liam Moran Lifetime Supporting Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Carlow Posts: 367	Rockwell have a similar product to the Logo called Micro 800. I have never used one, but I am sure it would have similar functionality.

January 13th, 2021, 01:00 PM	#8
rscrivner Member Join Date: Sep 2019 Location: Ft Worth, TX Posts: 7	Thank you Liam. I am looking into the Rockwell as well as the Maple systems. Just trying to see which one is cost effective and will still allow me to use the RTC as part of the ladder logic for the program.

January 13th, 2021, 01:05 PM	#10
rupej Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: NC Posts: 836	If it's Rockwell, a MicroLogix 1100/1400 would work as well if you're more familiar with those.

January 13th, 2021, 01:50 PM	#11
drbitboy Lifetime Supporting Member Join Date: Dec 2019 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 2,027	To what accuracy is the turn-on event 5am and 7pm expected? 10minutes? 100ms? Is drift acceptable i.e. 05:00:00 one day and 05:00:01 a week later? What determines how long the conveyor runs? is it the same every day? does someone turn it off manually? Should the conveyor run on weekends? What is the environment (indoors? outdoors? panel enclosure)? We have battery-powered "candles," probably from Walmar, that we put in the windows every year around 01.December. when you screw in the bulb at 4pm, they light stay lit for 5-6h; with no more intervention they repeat that every day at the same time until we unscrew the bulb. Even a minimal PLC is more than this project requires; but the greater bulk of the cost is going to be labor for the wiring and programming. So anything that has a clock could potentially work; this could be done in a spare laptop with a printer port and GWBasic.

January 13th, 2021, 04:10 PM	#12
Lare Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Finland Posts: 1,528	Timer relay as LD writed would be most cost effective. It only needs AC-supply and wiring from relay out to VFD start input.

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January 13th, 2021, 04:14 PM	#13
rscrivner Member Join Date: Sep 2019 Location: Ft Worth, TX Posts: 7	Thank you all for the valuable inputs. I have narrowed down my choices and will submit it to my customer for their approval.