russrmartin
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I'm with Bruce
Hounddog,
I read your post, then reread Bruce's, and I'm with him. He was not bashing anyone, it appears to me that he was just cautioning the original poster of the magnitude of the subject. Getting ideas is great, but getting ideas regarding safety issues and implementing them without the correct expertise and knowledge in place is just a bad situation for anyone. Not only is it poor for the future operators, but could also be bad for the original poster as well.
To reword what Bruce is saying, there is what is called a risk analysis which should be performed by a team which includes the original poster, the project requester/engineer, a safety representative, as well as anyone else who may have valuable input. From this risk analysis will come the requirements of the project to satisfy OSHA standards.
In my mind, all of this should be completed prior to the post. For the record, we have not nor will we ever have an OSHA inspector inspect anything, unless of course there is an incident. The methodology Bruce is referring to is a proven method to correctly identify and eliminate the hazards of the operation according to OSHA guidelines. Usually here that means that a SIL rating is defined in the Risk Assessment and must be followed. If this is done, the original poster then can ask for ideas on how to accomplish this.
In closing, it appears to me that Bruce Chase's post was merely a warning of caution not to just seek out opinions online and then follow through with the most popular idea.
Best of luck in the installation.
Russ
hounddog said:First of all, I thought this was a forum to share ideas, not to bash others. Second, the relying on others that you are talking about are OSHA inspectors, and yes, this forum is always a good place to ask others about ideas, after all, what do you use it for?, or are you so smart you never have to ask? May be possible, but I doubt.
Third, if you dont know to do this, you should not be messing with this ---- Well, if you consult with OSHA then you find out exactly what needs to be done, unless you just happen to be one of those that knows everything, like maybe yourself.
Also, as far as you being liable for killing or hurting someone - Well that is why OSHA was consulted, as well as our corporate lawyers to ensure that everything was as safe as possible.
And yes, myself and I am sure others use this forum to possibly get advice and maybe even to help someone, but never to bash.
I found out a long time ago that there is always someone out there who knows a better way, and I also found out that it is very easy to bash someone when you do not have to worry about meeting them face to face, after all, there are some folks on this earth that you will run into that it is best not to mess with, but if you never have to run into them, then i guess its okay to talk.
After all, this forum, but the best i have been able to tell is a great place to share info and idea's, seems to me if you not willing to do that, then maybe you should take up golfing or something else.
Hounddog,
I read your post, then reread Bruce's, and I'm with him. He was not bashing anyone, it appears to me that he was just cautioning the original poster of the magnitude of the subject. Getting ideas is great, but getting ideas regarding safety issues and implementing them without the correct expertise and knowledge in place is just a bad situation for anyone. Not only is it poor for the future operators, but could also be bad for the original poster as well.
To reword what Bruce is saying, there is what is called a risk analysis which should be performed by a team which includes the original poster, the project requester/engineer, a safety representative, as well as anyone else who may have valuable input. From this risk analysis will come the requirements of the project to satisfy OSHA standards.
In my mind, all of this should be completed prior to the post. For the record, we have not nor will we ever have an OSHA inspector inspect anything, unless of course there is an incident. The methodology Bruce is referring to is a proven method to correctly identify and eliminate the hazards of the operation according to OSHA guidelines. Usually here that means that a SIL rating is defined in the Risk Assessment and must be followed. If this is done, the original poster then can ask for ideas on how to accomplish this.
In closing, it appears to me that Bruce Chase's post was merely a warning of caution not to just seek out opinions online and then follow through with the most popular idea.
Best of luck in the installation.
Russ
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