OT: Coronavirus do you care?

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, some people again long before Covid used mask every day in Asia just because they were brought up that way,
Exactly. When first I saw people wearing masks in asia (long long before Covid) I though that these people where afraid of getting sick from other people. It was in fact the other way around, THEY were wearing the mask for protecting OTHER people.
This is a mark of culture, discipline and respect for other people.

Recent accredited studies concludes that masks have a clear and positive effect in reducing the spread of Covid. Wiping with alcohol has not shown to have a detectable effect.

I cannot respect persons that complain about wearing masks.
People that work with patients in the hospitals have to wear tightfitting masks ALL DAY and EVERY DAY, or even several layers of PPE. We regular people only have to wear a mildly inconveniencing mask for the short time that we must interact with other people.
 
What's funny is that people are afraid of the vaccine but will take stuff like horse deworming medication.
Not that I've taken it, nor do I plan on it, but do you realize Ivermectin was originally designed for humans, and a Nobel prize was awarded because if its use on humans. It is an FDA approved drug with known antiviral properties.
Perhaps instead we should be referencing any study which shows Ivermectin as ineffective against Covid instead of painting people as stupid for using a drug designed for humans which also is used on horses. The latter comes off strongly as tribalism and cheap jabs.

If we want to play this game, I ate horse food just this morning (oats). And I'll eat an apple in an hour or so, something commonly awarded horses as a treat. Sit in a trendy juice cafe and you'll see people drinking horse food and paying a premium for it. Plenty of people regularly consume rat poison, as is prescribed by their physician, some of which I work with daily. Shall I snicker and make jabs about their similarities with rodents? Paul is a bit feral, now that I think about it...
 
Not that I've taken it, nor do I plan on it, but do you realize Ivermectin was originally designed for humans, and a Nobel prize was awarded because if its use on humans. It is an FDA approved drug with known antiviral properties.
Perhaps instead we should be referencing any study which shows Ivermectin as ineffective against Covid instead of painting people as stupid for using a drug designed for humans which also is used on horses. The latter comes off strongly as tribalism and cheap jabs.
Having Ivermectin for human consumption is one thing, another very different is having Ivermectin for veterinarian use and take the dose for a 400 Kg horse, which can cause intoxication. Please forgive me for not regarding the person who does that as particularly bright.
 
Exactly. When first I saw people wearing masks in asia (long long before Covid) I though that these people where afraid of getting sick from other people. It was in fact the other way around, THEY were wearing the mask for protecting OTHER people.
This is a mark of culture, discipline and respect for other people.

Recent accredited studies concludes that masks have a clear and positive effect in reducing the spread of Covid. Wiping with alcohol has not shown to have a detectable effect.

I cannot respect persons that complain about wearing masks.
People that work with patients in the hospitals have to wear tightfitting masks ALL DAY and EVERY DAY, or even several layers of PPE. We regular people only have to wear a mildly inconveniencing mask for the short time that we must interact with other people.
Here in Japan now everyone uses mouth and nose covers everywhere, even walking on the streets. Nobody freaks out about the government's infringement to our individual freedom to spread viral matters to everyone else. We scracth our heads in wonder when we see the news of people burning masks in other places.
 
Not that I've taken it, nor do I plan on it

You cannot blame people for not being curious - being not curious is actually quite a human thing. I do not care much about invermectine (SP?) and have duly taken my Pfizers but the "horse de-wormer" line caused me to smile too. Narratives are such narratives...
 
Not that I've taken it, nor do I plan on it, but do you realize Ivermectin was originally designed for humans, and a Nobel prize was awarded because if its use on humans. It is an FDA approved drug with known antiviral properties.
Perhaps instead we should be referencing any study which shows Ivermectin as ineffective against Covid instead of painting people as stupid for using a drug designed for humans which also is used on horses. The latter comes off strongly as tribalism and cheap jabs.

If we want to play this game, I ate horse food just this morning (oats). And I'll eat an apple in an hour or so, something commonly awarded horses as a treat. Sit in a trendy juice cafe and you'll see people drinking horse food and paying a premium for it. Plenty of people regularly consume rat poison, as is prescribed by their physician, some of which I work with daily. Shall I snicker and make jabs about their similarities with rodents? Paul is a bit feral, now that I think about it...

The problem is not using any drug when you get prescribed correctly by a doctor who knows what he is doing.

The problem is that the rednecks start eating stuff because some other idiot said so in youtube.
 
But it is THEIR problem, right? Not yours, not mine and certainly not the government's.

If my cost would rises or available treatment for me like hospital beds would be in short because of them, that would most definitely be my problem also, wouldn't it.

Same goes for antivaxxers. When they fill the hospital beds, in the worst case someone is not getting proper treatment because of them.

In short. I don't care if someone kills himself (everyone should have command if they want to live or not), if he kills others while doing so, then I care.
 
My wife is Thai, We were in Thailand in early 2020, Although as the virus spread quite rapidly, we were in the south, not so densely populated and very little infection, in early March we travelled back to Bangkok for a couple of days before returning to the UK (just made it lol), again even in one of the most populated cities with all it's problems of pollution due to traffic, here people were wearing masks long before Covid, at this time the Thai people used masks more frequently than before, all shops were checking temperatures of all shoppers, ensuring everybody used hand sanitiser etc. & at that time their infection & certainly the death rate was one of the lowest in South East Asia, if not the world, here in the UK we did not do anything constructive until a month or two later, although Bangkok is one of the biggest transit cities in that area with boarders where people often cross to do business & work, their spike although still pretty small has been in the last few months, according to some sources I have regular contact with this is mainly due to complacency amongst the population especially the younger generation.
These measures do work, the general consensus is that vaccination has reduced the deaths & serious illnesses, I apparently am asymptomatic, but still had my injections and will have the booster when it's my turn, the only time I would wait for any future injection is if I could be sure that it would benefit some other unfortunate person who may need it more.
My wife & I both hate wearing masks, I do find it uncomfortable to wear & my wife is still recovering from long Covid which makes it more difficult to breath, however, we continue to wear them for other peoples protection even if it is only marginal protection.
 
Having Ivermectin for human consumption is one thing, another very different is having Ivermectin for veterinarian use and take the dose for a 400 Kg horse, which can cause intoxication. Please forgive me for not regarding the person who does that as particularly bright.
Oh no doubt, I don't think someone who does that are "top shelf" for what they did, but the narrative of masses knocking on deaths door for it's use is pretty fairly well debunked now. Rolling Stone magazine released an article about it, and other news sources picked it up and ran with it. I think because it fit their political narrative, but that's just my opinion. In their (weak) defense, Rolling Stone did print another article about how a hospital contacted them and told them their story wasn't true, and that they haven't been able to verify their original claim. I think that's about as close to a retraction as we will see from RS.
When we equate all Ivermectin use as idiots taking horse de-wormer, we are not being very honest and falling into tribalism. Is it funny? You bet! Is it underhanded, totally.
 
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The problem is not using any drug when you get prescribed correctly by a doctor who knows what he is doing.

The problem is that the rednecks start eating stuff because some other idiot said so in youtube.
Pretty sure it isn't just Youtube since there multiple studies of it showing antiviral properties. Whether it works on Covid, time will tell but as of now it isn't showing any promising effect. Used properly though, it has no negative side effects so there should be no harm in it. Again, I haven't taken it, nor do I want to. I'm just saying that we need to stop with the broad brush approach that only results in tribalism. Constantly painting any opposition as ignorant and "redneck" only results in more division, especially when the claim originated in a now documented lie. People are scared, and scared people do desperate things. We'd all be far better off of using a little kindness to educate people instead of taking cheap shots knowing it will only irritate.

A good chunk of the US populace have taken vaccinations which were/are not FDA approved. While you can say that it's ok because a doctor said to, that works great except for Thalidomide, and Bextra, and........
 
You cannot blame people for not being curious - being not curious is actually quite a human thing. I do not care much about invermectine (SP?) and have duly taken my Pfizers but the "horse de-wormer" line caused me to smile too. Narratives are such narratives...
I totally do not blame them. I think it's uneducated, but understandable. I also understand why they have such distrust in the experts and even agree with them to a point.
And yeah, the horse de-wormer is funny, but quite disingenuous. It's basically late night talk show comedy.
 
If my cost would rises or available treatment for me like hospital beds would be in short because of them, that would most definitely be my problem also, wouldn't it.

Same goes for antivaxxers. When they fill the hospital beds, in the worst case someone is not getting proper treatment because of them.

In short. I don't care if someone kills himself (everyone should have command if they want to live or not), if he kills others while doing so, then I care.
How far do we take this? Should people start policing McDonalds and smack that burger out of the hands of anyone they declare tubby that waddles in? Is it our civic duty to whip some people to move their lard butt? It is quite well documented that Covid overwhelmingly is assisting in death, not typically the root cause. Co-morbidity is a term that most of us didn't know before this outbreak. We now know that the old, those with underlying health conditions, and even more so the obese, are disproportionally effected by Covid. While we can't do much about people aging, we can do something about the amount of obesity. The question is, do we want to?
I would not be very appreciative of a lack of beds if I catch Covid and require admission, especially if the wards are fully of people who could have prevented their need to be there. The problem is how authoritarian do we want to be? At least in America, obesity is, no pun intended, a HUGE problem. As is with most illness, people who eat healthy and exercise are weathering the storm far better.
 
Sad news. One of the guy in our engineering group just passed from Covid. it's not known if he was vaccinated or not. Super nice guy and it came as shock. He's a year younger than me.
 
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