Hi all,
This will be long, I apologize for the length. I feel like I am in between a rock and a hard place. And would like some help or direction. To also help with my education as well. I am struggling with justifying circuit design and the cost, time associated with it to owners/managers/ non-controls folks after the risk assessment is complete. Now before everybody goes off on me here, let me say that If we do any turnkey or robot jobs this is in my control and it is properly done and designed to accomadate the appropriate safety level.
Now for the situation, on occasion we import machinery from korea/japan/italy, germany,switzerland ect, ect. For the most part the italian and german machinery come prepared and mostly meet applicable standards. But the other machinery i would consider being equivelant to a "Category B-1" controls architecture. " speaking in terms of categories" I can elaborate more if needed but ...with that being said, Customer buys the machine, this customer has no controls dept. With no standards. Me and others complete the risk assessment, Clearly it should meet category 3. In ANSI, NFPA79, and NEC it states Risk assessment to be done. But other documents also point out that it's the end user in combination with the OEM to come up with the conclusion.
So the question that arises to me is "how is it now that after 15 years of selling these this way should another $4500-6500 be spent in labor and material." Let me say these are brand new machines so wiring needs to be out and new in as well as hardware..
Anyone can lead me in the right direction?
Am I right for continually bringing this up?
It is driving me crazy as to, is it interpretation? Side note: I do not own the company.
Thanks for any responses that come
This will be long, I apologize for the length. I feel like I am in between a rock and a hard place. And would like some help or direction. To also help with my education as well. I am struggling with justifying circuit design and the cost, time associated with it to owners/managers/ non-controls folks after the risk assessment is complete. Now before everybody goes off on me here, let me say that If we do any turnkey or robot jobs this is in my control and it is properly done and designed to accomadate the appropriate safety level.
Now for the situation, on occasion we import machinery from korea/japan/italy, germany,switzerland ect, ect. For the most part the italian and german machinery come prepared and mostly meet applicable standards. But the other machinery i would consider being equivelant to a "Category B-1" controls architecture. " speaking in terms of categories" I can elaborate more if needed but ...with that being said, Customer buys the machine, this customer has no controls dept. With no standards. Me and others complete the risk assessment, Clearly it should meet category 3. In ANSI, NFPA79, and NEC it states Risk assessment to be done. But other documents also point out that it's the end user in combination with the OEM to come up with the conclusion.
So the question that arises to me is "how is it now that after 15 years of selling these this way should another $4500-6500 be spent in labor and material." Let me say these are brand new machines so wiring needs to be out and new in as well as hardware..
Anyone can lead me in the right direction?
Am I right for continually bringing this up?
It is driving me crazy as to, is it interpretation? Side note: I do not own the company.
Thanks for any responses that come