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It is interesting to watch the environmentalists and the power generation business
Hydro - many choice sites are already used and hydro is bad for fish - the Snail Darter stopped a dam in its tracks. We are now taking down some dams here in Washington state and people want more taken down. SO hydro is out.
Coal Oh lawzy there is nothing dirtier than coal. We cant have that. We cannot even ship it to China via the pristine port of Longview Wa. Coal is out.
Nuclear Well we pretty much kiboshed that in the 80's. Another 30 years of talking it and maybe we just might have one built. Buy a lottery ticket the odds are better.
Windfarms People object to noise and bird kill. So much for that.
Tidal = proposed to put one in Puget Sound 300 feet down. Concern over magnetic field affecting marine life magnetic orientation. We will see
Biofuel - ie wood waste - too much pollution. Several have been propose here in Washington - you are gonna kill the neighborhood.
Natural gas hmm just how much do we have left? But combustion of that emits CO2!!!! And natural gas often has sulfur in it (hmmm sort of sounds like coal - although diminished I admit)
Oil - well there is the Great BP incident so maybe that takes care of offshore drilling. Canada wants to exploit some fields but people dont want equipment going over the roads.
And of course foreign oil controversy. No and no.
Ah hah THE SOLUTION TO OIL we will switch from gasoline & diesel engines on cars and use electric. Hmmm what about heavy truck and salesmen or contractors who drive long distance and rail and airplanes? OK the wiring ie grid is all in place and for most part can handle the load especially if charging is done in off peak.
I am an EV advocate and they make a lot of sense
BUT where is the energy going to come from to make the prime mover make the alternator go around to make electicity?
Geothermal OK we take heat out of the earth. Sounds good but how much can we take out and where does the earth core get the energy from? What happens when we solidify the core cause we took all the heat out?
Solar Have not seen any objections -THE MAGIC ANSWER -- AND
I theorize it will reduce global warming. We extract energy from sunlight - that energy would either warm the earth or get reflected back as infrared so this extracted energy would reduce that emitted to the earth and cause cooling effect of the earth. I wait until they identify some spider that will become extinct because of shading from solar panels. I wonder where we are gonna get all the land to do it in the American fashion ie megawatt installations. Rooftop - hmm how well did that work out in California?
Conservation
ANOTHER MAGIC ANSWER
what we dont use we dont need. Makes sense. Tried doing energy conservation - what I found and have heard same experience from others is that if it does not fully pay for itself in three years it wont happen. Yes there is the capital cost argument which is hard for small businesss
- ah hah the answer government subsidy and grant -
baloney to that - government loan I am all for but no grant or other free lunch.
Are we not cutting our throats?
I sure don't have the magic answer.
Thoughts or am I all screwed up and just don't see the big picture?
I have the MAGIC ANSWER after all
Eliminate all homo sapiens. NO war, no pollution, everything will become sustainable and pristine. Let's start with you NOT Me (hmmm NIMBY ??) - Clancy wrote a good book with this theme - sigh,,, probably won't work - too many that I just can't satisfy.
Dan Bentler
Hydro - many choice sites are already used and hydro is bad for fish - the Snail Darter stopped a dam in its tracks. We are now taking down some dams here in Washington state and people want more taken down. SO hydro is out.
Coal Oh lawzy there is nothing dirtier than coal. We cant have that. We cannot even ship it to China via the pristine port of Longview Wa. Coal is out.
Nuclear Well we pretty much kiboshed that in the 80's. Another 30 years of talking it and maybe we just might have one built. Buy a lottery ticket the odds are better.
Windfarms People object to noise and bird kill. So much for that.
Tidal = proposed to put one in Puget Sound 300 feet down. Concern over magnetic field affecting marine life magnetic orientation. We will see
Biofuel - ie wood waste - too much pollution. Several have been propose here in Washington - you are gonna kill the neighborhood.
Natural gas hmm just how much do we have left? But combustion of that emits CO2!!!! And natural gas often has sulfur in it (hmmm sort of sounds like coal - although diminished I admit)
Oil - well there is the Great BP incident so maybe that takes care of offshore drilling. Canada wants to exploit some fields but people dont want equipment going over the roads.
And of course foreign oil controversy. No and no.
Ah hah THE SOLUTION TO OIL we will switch from gasoline & diesel engines on cars and use electric. Hmmm what about heavy truck and salesmen or contractors who drive long distance and rail and airplanes? OK the wiring ie grid is all in place and for most part can handle the load especially if charging is done in off peak.
I am an EV advocate and they make a lot of sense
BUT where is the energy going to come from to make the prime mover make the alternator go around to make electicity?
Geothermal OK we take heat out of the earth. Sounds good but how much can we take out and where does the earth core get the energy from? What happens when we solidify the core cause we took all the heat out?
Solar Have not seen any objections -THE MAGIC ANSWER -- AND
I theorize it will reduce global warming. We extract energy from sunlight - that energy would either warm the earth or get reflected back as infrared so this extracted energy would reduce that emitted to the earth and cause cooling effect of the earth. I wait until they identify some spider that will become extinct because of shading from solar panels. I wonder where we are gonna get all the land to do it in the American fashion ie megawatt installations. Rooftop - hmm how well did that work out in California?
Conservation
ANOTHER MAGIC ANSWER
what we dont use we dont need. Makes sense. Tried doing energy conservation - what I found and have heard same experience from others is that if it does not fully pay for itself in three years it wont happen. Yes there is the capital cost argument which is hard for small businesss
- ah hah the answer government subsidy and grant -
baloney to that - government loan I am all for but no grant or other free lunch.
Are we not cutting our throats?
I sure don't have the magic answer.
Thoughts or am I all screwed up and just don't see the big picture?
I have the MAGIC ANSWER after all
Eliminate all homo sapiens. NO war, no pollution, everything will become sustainable and pristine. Let's start with you NOT Me (hmmm NIMBY ??) - Clancy wrote a good book with this theme - sigh,,, probably won't work - too many that I just can't satisfy.
Dan Bentler
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